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November 18, 2018 at 7:25 pm #4889Rana GoodmanKeymaster
Yesterday I received the association’s opinion poll and at first I was just going to mark my choice, multi-purpose rooms, and then drop it at the Anthem Center. However, as I then began to read the accompanying fact sheet, I was left with glaring questions on what was written there.
Please read the pro and con sheet and judge for yourself, the misleading information, at least that is my opinion of what I saw there. Starting with the statement that converting to multipurpose rooms will cost SCA $2.3 million per year over ten yeas.
Once built, all I see are a slight addition to the current cost for possibly more janitorial and utility costs. (if you are interested in buying a bridge, I heard that the Brooklyn Bridge might be available!)
Additionally, from what I understand without the restaurant and bar SCA will not pay the property tax charged now because we will be entirely “not for profit”
Option 1 “reopen the restaurant:
“The operator will pay not rent, property taxes, utilities. SCA will pay some operating costs like Janitorial, linen service, advertising etc.” The restaurant operator only pay for staff and food and cost to us (SCA) would be about $250,000 per year or $35 per home.
“Provides a unique dining experience?” That is an assumption without foundation, with no vendor we don’t know that and that idea has failed 5 or 6 times already.
“Excellent sales and marketing tool for home sales” According to real estate studies done this far, the lack of a restaurant has NOT hampered home sales at all.
1: Our area has many other restaurant choices
2: A restaurant will attract non-residents! … It does not and that is one of the reasons all past restaurants have failed.
3: There will be NO pot-lucks or “drop & go’s (food delivery) in Anthem Center, The restaurant operator will have exclusive catering rights. This will restrict clubs from many food choices for their events o unless they go off campus.
Option 2 Converting to multipurpose rooms “cons” listed:
1: Before bids have ever been announced, they have listed the approximate cost at “$750,000 (or more)” and states that “a special assessment will be required”. However, when the board and GM agreed to $250,000 subsidy per year plus tons and tons or additional perks to the last restaurant asking to take the space, not one word was stated about a special assessment to support the place.
2: “SCA already has many meeting rooms,” yes we do, BUT scheduling is already a problem for the few large rooms that clubs and residents may use for events. One at Liberty Center, one at Independence Center and the Delaware room/grand ballroom at Anthem Center. Many clubs vie for those rooms and perhaps if we had more the cost to use them for residence would be a little less.
3: “As our demographics change, in the future we may have less need for more meeting rooms” In my opinion that is hogwash! Homes are being sold at SCA constantly, as more people move in often the age demographic changes too. Also, just because we are aging it does not mean we won’t want to meet with the respective clubs, our friends, or hold events without fighting for dates and spaces. Currently, for example, when the Women’s Club meets for their luncheons Current Events Club must move to another location so their regular meeting room can be encompassed into the Grand Ballroom.
In the second paragraph of this section it states; “after conversion SCA’s annual cost would be approximately $160,000 per year or $22 per home” I don’t believe that and would like to see the bare cost of operating the meeting rooms in Anthem Center at this point.November 18, 2018 at 7:49 pm #4894AnonymousInactive
Amazing how you and I think alike! I figured this “survey” would be loaded and sure enough it is. They want to give away $250K a year of OUR money. The board seems to forget that they are giving away their own money or perhaps they are rich enough in their retirement that they don’t care. Some of us aren’t. Like you, I can’t believe it will cost us $160K to operate the space as meeting rooms. Rooms that we desperately need right now and will in the future as homes sell. We would not be paying taxes, the electric bill should not increase and staff would be cleaning on their regular hours. Where that amount comes from is very questionable. Maybe they are including a big raise for our manager in that sum…..hmmm?
I am and always have been against another failed restaurant. In the 16 years I have lived here I’ve seen them come and go. They just don’t have the customer base in SCA to succeed. It’s time to drop this terrible idea and go forward with a more common sense solution to the space and that is more meeting rooms for the residents.
PatsyNovember 20, 2018 at 6:16 pm #4898Jim FurseParticipant
It might cost $750K to convert that one-of-a-kind special space for some particular purposes. I suspect, however, that community members & some clubs in particular could think of ways to use the space for far less. Just one example: At a morning visit to a Del Webb club house in the Phoenix area several years ago, we saw something like an expanded version of the “coffee stop” we have. Lots of folks were picking up their coffee, juice, yogurt, etc, etc. The atmosphere was informal, & quite a large group were visiting, sitting at tables, eating & enjoying themselves. They didn’t have our great view though!November 20, 2018 at 8:30 pm #4899GaryParticipant
What a surprise to see how the “survey” was worded:
It’s no longer fun reading the poorly camouflaged, blatant bias so evident in the creative wording of the newest restaurant survey that has just been presented to over 7,000 homeowners as it attempts to sway community opinion in favor of another restaurant. Those who have been following this silliness know it’s a bad idea but still, having to keep fending off such bad ideas (and another in an endless succession of failed restaurants is definitely a bad idea), feels like dealing with argumentative in-laws who keep tormenting and just refuse to go away. The relentless insanity is exhausting!!!!
Wouldn’t it be great if they’d just stop and give it a rest?November 21, 2018 at 2:13 am #4900Martin WingerParticipant
I have a long term offer. Take that section of the building DOWN. Put grass there and return it to nature. There will be a one time fee for disassembly and never more will there be an issue of maintenance except for the cost of some water for the grass and a quick cutting now and then.
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