A Question For ALL SCA Board Candidates

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  • #9250
    Rana Goodman
    Keymaster

    Over the years, with each new restaurant coming into our Anthem Center I have heard the following question asked over and over again…….

    “Why aren’t the restaurant power meters separated from Anthem Center?” I would like to change that question slightly……. “With the amount of $$$$$$$ spent by our boards (plural intended) time after time, why have none taken the step of adding to the budget a one-time-fix of having an independent meter installed for the restaurant space. Especially since Masterpiece Cuisine, the catering company who is the latest occupant of that space heading towards a long term relationship with SCA?

    Let us be really honest for a moment, there is no way the BOD (board of directors) can estimate the restaurant’s share of power usage…. if there is, I’d love to know what that might be!

    #9252
    MartyW
    Participant

    As the original guy that sounded like a broken record, and for such a long time it sure does feel “wanted…lol.”  Sure, the legitimacy for this subject reaches everyone’s pocket’s due to the enormity of all the on going monthly fees that are incurred monthly.  Why should anyone continue to pay for somebody else’s meals? 

    Besides the on going costs, as was pointed out is that we all knew Del Webb’s restaurant Trumpets, as successful as it was, was in fact merely a marketing tool to get Anthem sold, so that’s another reason having to pay to get the the appropriate meters in place wasn’t important.

    So what is going to happen when and if the heaven forbid the next restaurant is in place without these meters?  Also, as a side note an “arms length” agreement would sure look great after all the give aways we’ve seen over so many years.  

    #9254
    Steven H
    Participant

    I think it was mentioned at the restaurant meeting that separate metering was going to be too expensive. This can be true, depending on how Anthem Center was constructed. However, I wondering if they have looked into submetering instead? Sensors are installed at key electrical connection points and send info to an in-house meter, that has nothing to do with NV Energy. It’s more flexible, and way cheaper that trying to “split” a conjoined electrical system . Then the landlord bills the tenant for electricity, not the utility company. I have seen many commercial landlords go with this option, when they are unable to electrically isolate tenant space.

    #9255
    R. Westra
    Participant

    Steven H.—Bright man; creates solutions.  We have used this idea numerous times; I explained what I wanted to the maintenance people or to an electrician.  Great idea; I like people with solutions.  Steven H. is a solutions person.

    #9259
    MartyW
    Participant

    Steven…

    As a “tech person” this sure sounds like a great answer to our issue with separating the three meters (electric, gas, and water), and hopefully divest the restaurant utilities from the rest of the system.  I do of course wonder about the mechanics of hardware and labor costs for the installation of each of the three meter mentioned.

    If you could be so kind and provide information as to who the specific vendors are and as to the website so that more information can be gleaned and understand how the isolation of each of the sub-meter hardware gets attached.  Of course we all would like to know WHO within the HOA is responsible to gets the bills and how we homeowners get paid too.

    #9260
    Marty Greenblatt
    Participant

    Some years ago I was President ofcan HOA in the Boston area that had a similar problem   Our 14 acre complex c9nsisted of a variety of home styles that from about 2000 to 6000 square feet in size, all on a single water meter. When water rates zoomed, many of our owners were concerned with the disparity in usage, but it would have cost a fortune to replumb the complex.  Instead we installed a sub-meter at the service entrance to each unit,  and then allocated each vill by usage.  It worked perfectly!

    #9264
    MartyW
    Participant

    So, once again…if you all have time to write and tell us this good news…can you please provide us folks that are interested in this technology some details?  We are waiting with baited breath!

    Thank you.

    #9265
    Elizabeth Breier
    Participant

    Here’s another question for the candidates. Should a candidate for the board state that they’re willing to confirm that they would not use their business to benefit themselves financially through any of the amenities in Sun City? Specifically, someone who has a business providing entertainment that has already provided entertainment for MC caterers in the past? Michelle Sharples stated at the restaurant town hall that she stepped back from the vote on which company to bring in as a potential tenant for the restaurant space because of her prior association with MC. Certainly, if she did that as a member of a committee then as a board member, she  should not be enriched by providing entertainment for any catered events or in the restaurant space. That of course, would include herself, her husband and her business.

    #9266
    Steven H
    Participant

    I cannot point to a particular vendor for submetering equipment as I am retired from the construction industry for 8 years and only moved here a year ago. Submetering is nothing new, it’s been around for 100+ years. Like most other tech, it gets cheaper, more capable and more accurate with every passing year. A simple Google search will show you a wide range of information on the subject. Manufacturers like Leviton, Eaton, Siemens, etc. offer a wide range of “billing grade” products to build out a submetering system. My only recommendation is to avoid small companies who want to be your turnkey solution. They tend to want to sell you proprietary systems and want to handle everything including your billing. You can well imagine how that often turns out.

    #9263
    Steven H
    Participant

    @MartyW ,

    Submetering is nothing new, but I have been out of the construction industry for nearly 10 years now, and just a recent transplant here, so I cannot suggest any local vendors. I can only say that best practice is to avoid using smaller companies that use proprietary rebranded hardware and software, and want to be your “turnkey” installation to billing service. It’s much better to have full control of your own. There’s a wild west of these who want to be your second utility company. Just Google “submetering” and you will see what I mean. As for equipment, there is a huge choice available from Eaton, Siemens, Leviton, ABB and others who offer “revenue quality” systems that are cost effective enough that ROI can often be achieved in a year or two. Here are just a couple: https://store.leviton.com/collections/sub-meters

    https://www.eaton.com/us/en-us/products/low-voltage-power-distribution-control-systems/power-and-energy-monitoring-equipment-and-software/understanding-submetering.html

     

     

    #9267
    John Forsythe
    Participant

    Information I found;

    Submetering equipment is used to measure actual electricity or natural gas usage in any nonresidential rental unit when the equipment is not owned or controlled by the electric or natural gas utility serving the building in which the nonresidential rental unit is located. Submeters are utility meters that measure the consumption of water, gas, or electric consumption for a particular multifamily or commercial unit. Submeters are installed between the main utility meters and individual units, which allows for the exact measurement and billing of that utility to that renter.

    Welcome to the Ultimate Guide to Submetering, the comprehensive resource for anyone considering submetering utilities at multi-unit properties. As a property owner or manager, you understand the importance of managing costs, promoting conservation efforts, and maintaining compliance with regulations. Submetering is a powerful tool that can help you achieve these goals and more. In this guide, we will explore the various types of submetering, the advantages of submetering, the installation process, maintenance and monitoring, tenant communication, and real-life case studies. We hope this guide will provide you with the knowledge and confidence you need to make informed decisions about submetering and help you take the necessary steps to implement submetering in your multi-tenant property.
    Submetering Basics and Benefits.‍
    What is submetering?
    Submetering involves installing individual meters to measure the consumption of electricity, gas, or water for each tenant in a building or complex. With submetering, each tenant is responsible for their individual usage, and billing is based on actual consumption, promoting fairness and transparency. Additionally, submetering can incentivize tenants to conserve resources and reduce waste, leading to cost savings for both you and your tenants.
    The Benefits‍
    Advantages of submetering for small property investors reduces utility costs
    Submetering enables property owners to accurately measure and allocate utility costs to individual tenants, which can lead to reduced overall utility expenses.
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    Increases cash flow: Submetering can help property owners increase their cash flow by recovering utility expenses from tenants.

    Improves cap rates and property values: By reducing utility expenses and increasing cash flow, submetering can improve cap rates and increase property values.

    Insulates from rising energy prices: Submetering allows property owners to pass on utility expenses to tenants, which can insulate them from rising energy prices.

    Encourages tenant energy conservation: Submetering incentivizes tenants to conserve energy by making them directly responsible for their own usage and billing.

    Rents more affordable: Submetering can make rents more affordable by reducing overall utility expenses and providing tenants with incentives to conserve energy.

    Leak Detection: Submetering can detect leaks or other water usage anomalies, enabling property owners to address them quickly and avoid costly damage.
    How does it work?
    Individually meter each unit: Each unit in a multi-tenant property is equipped with an individual meter to measure electricity, gas, or water usage. These meters can be installed during the construction phase of the property or retrofitted later.
    Manually or remotely take meter readings: The meter readings are then recorded either manually by a meter reader or remotely through an automated system that sends data to a central server.
    Master utility bill costs are divided for each tenant based on their usage: The total cost of the master utility bill for the property is calculated, and each tenant’s portion of the bill is determined based on their individual usage as measured by their submeter.
    Tenants receive a bill from the property owner or Submeter Solutions: The property owner or a third-party billing company then sends each tenant a bill for their portion of the utility costs. This billing process promotes transparency and fairness, as each tenant is responsible for their individual usage and only pays for what they consume.Submetering can help property owners accurately allocate utility costs, promote conservation efforts, and increase cash flow. With the individual metering of each unit, tenants have control over their usage and can take steps to reduce their consumption, which can lead to cost savings for both tenants and property owners.
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    Submetering Applications
    Submetering can be categorized into several different applications, including:
    Energy management: Installing submeters to monitor energy usage in order to identify areas for conservation and efficiency improvements. This includes monitoring electricity, gas, and water usage to identify areas where usage can be reduced.
    Sewer deduct programs: Installing submeters on water lines to accurately measure water usage and avoid paying sewer fees for non-sewage water usage. This includes applications such as irrigation lines, cooling towers, and other non-sewage water usage.
    Recovering utility costs from tenants: The primary reason for installing submeters is to allocate utility costs to individual tenants based on their usage. This promotes transparency and fairness, and encourages tenants to conserve resources.Other applications of submetering include:
    Renewable energy generation: Installing submeters to track renewable energy generation and accurately allocate credits or charges to individual units or tenants.
    Water conservation: Installing submeters to track water usage and identify areas for conservation and efficiency improvements.
    Cost savings: Submetering can help reduce utility expenses and increase cash flow for property owners, leading to improved cap rates and property values.
    Compliance: Submetering can help property owners maintain compliance with local, state, and federal regulations related to utility usage and allocation.
    By understanding these different categories and applications of submetering, property owners can make informed decisions about submetering implementation and ensure that their system meets their unique needs and goals.
    ‍Choosing the appropriate type of submeters
    Choosing the right submeter solution for your property can be a complex process, but there are several key factors to consider to ensure you make the best decision:
    Type of submetering: The first step is to determine which type of submetering is appropriate for your property. Do you need to measure electricity, gas, water, or a combination of these utilities?
    Accuracy: Look for submeters that are accurate and reliable, ensuring that the readings are as close to the actual usage as possible. This is important for billing accuracy and for encouraging tenants to conserve resources.
    Installation process: Consider the ease and convenience of the installation process, as well as the cost and time involved. Look for submeter solutions that can be easily retrofitted into existing buildings or installed during construction.
    Compatibility with existing systems: Ensure that the submeter solution is compatible with your existing billing system, property management software, and utility infrastructure.
    Maintenance and support: Look for submeter solutions that come with ongoing maintenance and support, including troubleshooting assistance and regular inspections.
    Cost: Consider the upfront cost of the submeter solution, as well as ongoing costs such as maintenance and monitoring fees. Look for submeter solutions that provide a good return on investment and can help you reduce overall utility expenses.
    Reputation and reviews: Research the submetering provider’s reputation and read reviews from other property owners or managers who have used their services to ensure they have a good track record.
    By taking these factors into account and thoroughly researching submetering solutions, you can make an informed decision and choose a solution that meets the unique needs of your property.
    Installation and Best Practices
    Submeter installation is a critical component of successful submetering implementation. Here are some best practices to consider for submeter installation:
    Work with a qualified contractor: Choose a contractor who has experience with submetering installation and can ensure that the job is done correctly and in compliance with local codes and regulations.
    Choose the right location: Install submeters in a location that is accessible and allows for easy reading of the meter. Make sure the meter is not obstructed by objects or located in an area that is prone to damage.
    Ensure proper wiring: Proper wiring is essential for accurate meter readings. Make sure that the wiring is installed correctly and is in compliance with local codes and regulations.
    Test and calibrate the submeters: Before installing submeters, test and calibrate them to ensure accurate readings. This will help prevent issues with billing accuracy and tenant disputes.
    Obtain necessary permits and approvals: Obtain all necessary permits and approvals from local authorities before installing submeters. This ensures compliance with local codes and regulations and helps avoid potential legal issues.
    Communicate with tenants: Communicate with tenants about the installation process and what to expect. Provide them with clear instructions on how to read the meter and how billing will work.
    Perform regular maintenance and inspections: Regular maintenance and inspections of submeters are important to ensure accurate readings and to identify any issues early on. Make sure to schedule regular maintenance and inspections with your contractor.
    By following these best practices, you can ensure that your submeter installation is successful and that your submetering system is accurate, reliable, and compliant with regulations.
    Billing and Tenant Management
    Billing and tenant management are critical components of successful submetering implementation. Here’s an outline of the billing and tenant management process:
    Developing a transparent billing process: Develop a clear and transparent billing process for tenants, ensuring that they understand how their utility charges are calculated and what they can do to reduce their usage.Reviewing utility usage online: With submetering, you can review utility usage for each unit online, allowing you to accurately calculate usage and allocate costs to each tenant.
    Calculating utility charges for tenants: To calculate utility charges for tenants, you will need to take the rates the city is charging you for the utility (water, sewer, gas) and multiply that by the usage for each unit. This process can be complex, so consider developing a calculator that you can use each month to plug in specific usage for each resident.
    Communicating utility usage and charges to tenants: Once you have calculated utility charges for each tenant, you will need to send a bill to each tenant. Make sure to clearly communicate the usage and charges, and provide tenants with a way to contact you with any questions or concerns.
    Ensuring accuracy and fairness: It is important to ensure that you do not overcharge tenants for utilities and that you do not make a profit off of utility charges. Keep your charges in line with the actual cost of utilities and be transparent about the billing process to build trust with your tenants.
    By following these best practices for billing and tenant management, you can ensure that your submetering implementation is successful and that your tenants are satisfied with the process.
    Conclusion
    In conclusion, submetering is a powerful tool that can help small property investors manage costs, promote conservation efforts, and maintain compliance with regulations. By installing individual meters to measure the consumption of electricity, gas, or water for each tenant in a building or complex, property owners can accurately allocate utility costs, incentivize tenants to conserve resources, and increase cash flow.
    Staying updated on submetering trends is essential to maximizing the benefits of submetering. As technology advances and regulations change, it is important to keep up-to-date with the latest developments in submetering to ensure that your system remains accurate, reliable, and compliant with regulations.
    Typical applications of submetering result in an ROI of less than 12 months if all utility costs are recaptured from tenants. This means that submetering can quickly pay for itself and lead to significant cost savings for small property investors.
    In summary, submetering is a valuable investment for small property investors that can lead to reduced utility expenses, increased cash flow, improved cap rates, and more sustainable operations.
    By staying up-to-date with submetering trends and best practices, small property investors can ensure that their submetering implementation is successful and provides a strong return on investment.

    Sample submetering result from a search on “submetering”

    Leviton
    https://leviton.com/products/commercial/submetering/verifeye-submetering-solutions/submetering-101

     

     

    Byram Utility Solutions
    https://www.byramsolutions.com/electric-submetering.html

     

    EKM Metering
    https://www.ekmmetering.com/

     

     

     

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